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ASIANUX2.0产品及红旗5.0系列新品 受到Distrowatch.com猛烈批评!

时间:2005-08-30

来源:互联网

摘自 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050829#1

大概批评观点如下:
1、网站上有大量的Flash和无效联接 - Asianux
2、夸大事实的广告言辞 - Asianux
3、无RPM和源代码储备 - Asianux
4、“固执地”(原文)模仿Windows - RedFlag


Asianux - is the hype justified?

Asianux The launch of Asianux 2.0 last week has attracted much attention in the Linux and computing media around the Internet. This is easy to understand - the idea of creating a common base and unified standards, with support for the complex writing systems of the countries of East Asia, Asianux certainly looks like a step in the right direction. The project has also been embraced by Oracle and some hardware manufacturers as one of the key Linux players, alongside Red Hat and Novell, to include in the testing and support infrastructure.

But is Asianux really what it claims to be - a pan-Asian panacea for high cost of proprietary software licenses and a universal solution for Asian computer users? As it stands now, we highly doubt it - for two reasons: lack of openness and non-participation of other important Linux players in Asia.

The lack of openness is most alarming. The Asianux web site is a haphazardly designed portal, with broken links, annoying Flash animation, badly formatted press releases, and plenty of self-praise for being an "extreme success" and for becoming "one of the three major Linux server distributions in the world". Similar unfounded statements litter the Asianux web site - while, at the same time, its Success Story page remains amazingly bare.

Despite a so-called "release" of Asianux 2.0 last week, the distribution is nowhere to be had. Its download page still links to Asianux 1.0 ISO images and no public beta testing process preceded the product launch. Similarly, there is no depository of RPM packages and no source code available for download. Even worse, with the exception of the self-glorifying and poorly formatted press release, the Asianux web site provides no information about the product's features. Bug reporting facilities and security notification infrastructure are also absent from the site.

Granted, Asianux is meant to serve as a base system upon which the three participating companies - Red Flag Software, Miracle Linux and Haansoft - build their own products. Yet, one cannot but feel disappointed about the secrecy with which the project presents its development work - instead of openly inviting Asian users, developers and companies to participate in the development process, all work on Asianux takes place behind closed doors. This not only goes against the spirit of Linux and Free Software, it is also against the interest of Asian Linux users.

Thus the only publicly available product based on Asianux 2.0 at this time is a beta release of Red Flag Linux 5.0, released last week. Downloadable from a single (i.e. extremely slow) FTP server, this is a desktop Linux distribution where Red Flag stubbornly continues in its effort to turn Linux into a Windows clone (see screenshot below). That's not to say that it is a bad product; perhaps somewhat outdated and without a good office suite, but nevertheless very usable, with solid support for simplified Chinese and other conveniences that make Red Flag Linux just about as usable as Microsoft Windows on the desktop - and that can't be a bad thing.

The beta release of Red Flag Linux 5.0 Desktop aside, the sad truth is that Asianux is not one of the three major Linux distributions in the world, not even close. In its current state, Asianux is little else than hype spread by the three commercial companies involved in the project. And unless the responsible parties fix their half-broken web site, open up the project for public participation, and invite other major Asian players to join in, Asianux is unlikely to become anything but overhyped and glorified vapourware, a fate so similar to the failed United Linux.

作者: MACHINE   发布时间: 2005-08-30

3、无RPM和源代码储备 - Asianux-其实这个问题才是最致命的,也是亟需解决的。
其实Asianux的政治意义大于商业意义,基本上是中日韩三国政府关起门来搞的,商业前途比较黯淡。

作者: Rehtnap   发布时间: 2005-08-30

引用:
作者: MACHINE
摘自 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050829#1
Asianux - is the hype justified?

Asianux The launch of Asianux 2.0 last week has attracted much attention in the Linux and computing media around the Internet. This is easy to understand - the idea of creating a common base and unified standards, with support for the complex writing systems of the countries of East Asia, Asianux certainly looks like a step in the right direction. The project has also been embraced by Oracle and some hardware manufacturers as one of the key Linux players, alongside Red Hat and Novell, to include in the testing and support infrastructure.

But is Asianux really what it claims to be - a pan-Asian panacea for high cost of proprietary software licenses and a universal solution for Asian computer users? As it stands now, we highly doubt it - for two reasons: lack of openness and non-participation of other important Linux players in Asia.

The lack of openness is most alarming. The Asianux web site is a haphazardly designed portal, with broken links, annoying Flash animation, badly formatted press releases, and plenty of self-praise for being an "extreme success" and for becoming "one of the three major Linux server distributions in the world". Similar unfounded statements litter the Asianux web site - while, at the same time, its Success Story page remains amazingly bare.

Despite a so-called "release" of Asianux 2.0 last week, the distribution is nowhere to be had. Its download page still links to Asianux 1.0 ISO images and no public beta testing process preceded the product launch. Similarly, there is no depository of RPM packages and no source code available for download. Even worse, with the exception of the self-glorifying and poorly formatted press release, the Asianux web site provides no information about the product's features. Bug reporting facilities and security notification infrastructure are also absent from the site.

Granted, Asianux is meant to serve as a base system upon which the three participating companies - Red Flag Software, Miracle Linux and Haansoft - build their own products. Yet, one cannot but feel disappointed about the secrecy with which the project presents its development work - instead of openly inviting Asian users, developers and companies to participate in the development process, all work on Asianux takes place behind closed doors. This not only goes against the spirit of Linux and Free Software, it is also against the interest of Asian Linux users.

Thus the only publicly available product based on Asianux 2.0 at this time is a beta release of Red Flag Linux 5.0, released last week. Downloadable from a single (i.e. extremely slow) FTP server, this is a desktop Linux distribution where Red Flag stubbornly continues in its effort to turn Linux into a Windows clone (see screenshot below). That's not to say that it is a bad product; perhaps somewhat outdated and without a good office suite, but nevertheless very usable, with solid support for simplified Chinese and other conveniences that make Red Flag Linux just about as usable as Microsoft Windows on the desktop - and that can't be a bad thing.

The beta release of Red Flag Linux 5.0 Desktop aside, the sad truth is that Asianux is not one of the three major Linux distributions in the world, not even close. In its current state, Asianux is little else than hype spread by the three commercial companies involved in the project. And unless the responsible parties fix their half-broken web site, open up the project for public participation, and invite other major Asian players to join in, Asianux is unlikely to become anything but overhyped and glorified vapourware, a fate so similar to the failed United Linux.
Sharp Comment

作者: 蓝铃   发布时间: 2005-08-30

一般来说,老外是希望亚洲人、中国人都做不出什么东西,做出来了也要用口水淹死^^
两个字:无聊

作者: lfm09   发布时间: 2005-08-30

引用:
作者: lfm09
一般来说,老外是希望亚洲人、中国人都做不出什么东西,做出来了也要用口水淹死^^
两个字:无聊
主要还是界面模仿XP,模仿老外审美观点作出来的界面。
而且是卖在亚洲,人家老外都看不过去了

作者: Ouranos   发布时间: 2005-08-30

批评很好。古人闻过则喜,我们也应该这么做。RF在输入法和其它方面上做了很大的努力,但没有开源,的确和Linux的自由理念不合。Asianux骨子里太象RH了,表面上又很象Windows,让不人知所以。如果这是商业的需要,政府的需要,那没说的了,跟我这种普通用户无关。不管怎样,我是接受批评的,更希望RF能做得更好。

作者: echofrompat   发布时间: 2005-08-30

good,someone tell me the truth!

作者: parset   发布时间: 2005-08-30

易用是关键,模仿WIN也有他的好处,可以让初学者很快上手!

作者: Xstar   发布时间: 2005-09-04

不说界面怎么样。红旗的中文真的没的说,浏览器也有自己的东西!
你试试163邮箱,用其提供的信纸写封邮件。其他linux发行版连字都打不上!!
再看看动感邮件,其他linux发行版连字都看不到!!

作者: wzs   发布时间: 2005-09-04

觉得现在的XP界面真是做得不错.撇开其它的不论.就说在用LINUX吧.总是感觉LINUX的界面很虚浮...

作者: asgames   发布时间: 2005-09-04

这篇文章可能根本不是老外写的,很大的可能是中国人写的。

作者: cjacker   发布时间: 2005-09-05

引用:
作者: wzs
不说界面怎么样。红旗的中文真的没的说,浏览器也有自己的东西!
你试试163邮箱,用其提供的信纸写封邮件。其他linux发行版连字都打不上!!
再看看动感邮件,其他linux发行版连字都看不到!!
你的浏览器版本太早了吧?我随便找了个Firefox就可以用网易的信纸模板啊!
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作者: nzinfo   发布时间: 2005-09-05

我怀疑这篇文章是我认识的一个人写的,文风和观点都与他比较相近,我过两天问问他。

作者: fundawang   发布时间: 2005-09-06

Asianux是中日韩三国一些公司共同发起的一个项目,也有Oracle等大公司的支持,它想成为东亚Linux的统一的通用的标准。红旗是中方参与者。著名Linux网站DistroWatch对该项目颇有批评:第一,它缺乏开放性;第二,它不与亚洲其它的Linux开发者进行合作。而对基于Asianux的红旗Linux,DistroWatch认为它不算糟糕,但跟Windows一样的面孔让这些Fans不怎么高兴。crazycool@newsmth翻译了这个文章。

原文:http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current
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标题: Asianux - 瞧这忽悠的,够厚道么?


上周Asianux发布了Asianux 2.0版本并立即引起了各界的广泛关注。这种关注很好理解:
Asianux致力于创建一个通用、统一的标准并以此来支持东亚国家复杂的编辑写作软
件系统,而这种努力方向看起来是大势所趋。同时,Asianux项目也被Oracle和一些硬
件厂商视为Linux界一支不可忽视的力量并加以支持,这其中还包括Redhat和Novell等
大牌。

但是Asianux真的如它自己所说的那样,可以成为亚洲各国通用的、替代昂贵的专有软
件的万灵*么?就它目前的状况来看,我们对此深表怀疑,原因有两个:第一,它缺乏
开放性;第二,它不与亚洲其它的Linux开发者进行合作。

缺乏开放性是最危险的。Asianux的网站是随意抄袭过来的,到处都是断链、讨厌的
Flash和格式混乱的新闻。并且还自吹自擂,比如“极其成功”啦,“世界上三个主要
的Linux服务器发行版之一”啦酱紫的吹嘘。最发指的是,吹了一通之后,网站上“成
功故事”这一页上居然是空空如也。

尽管Asianux 2.0已经“发布”了,但是我们却不知道从哪里下载。网站上的下载页面
的链接还是指向1.0的,并且也根本找不到beta版本测试和产品发布的信息。当然了,
也没有RPM和源码可以下载。更可笑的是,网站上的新闻除了自吹自擂之外居然连2.0的
新特性都没有写。什么bug报告啦安全更新啦之类的更是不可能在它的网站上找到了。

Asianux的最初定位是成为三家公司(Red Flag,Miracle Linux和Haansoft)各自产品
的公共平台。但是结果很令人失望,Asianux并没有邀请亚洲的其它用户、开发者和公
司参与到开发工作中来,而是关起门来自己搞。这不但有违Linux和自由软件的精神,
也有违亚洲广大Linux用户的意愿。

如此这般之后,唯一一个基于Asianux 2.0的产品是上周发布的红旗Linux 5.0,目前只
能从一个慢如牛车的FTP上下载。红旗Linux仍然顽固的坚持“把Linux做成Windows”的
路线(自己瞅瞅截图吧)。我们不能说这是个糟糕的产品,可能它有点过时,也没有一
个好用的Office套件,不过易用性很好,对简体中文的支持也很不错,还有一些其它的
便利。所有这些让它确实跟M$ Windows桌面一样易用——这当然不能算糟糕了。

截图看这里 http://distrowatch.com/images/screen...edflag-5.0.png
水木本地 http://www.newsmth.net/bbscon.php?bi...275271&ap=4176

尽管红旗Linux 5.0还只是beta版本,但是我们仍然可以负责任的说,它不可能是世界
三大Linux发行版本之一,而且差的远了去了。就目前的状况来讲,Asianux仅仅是支持
它的三个大企业的一个广告罢了。除非它能够认认真真的做好它的网站、开放项目接受
大众的参与,并且邀请亚洲其它的Linux力量参与进来,不然Asnianux只能是一陀金光
灿灿的狗屎而已,跟United Linux的命运差不了多少。

作者: LinuxFan   发布时间: 2005-09-06

现在的红旗5.0连bate都不是,快照版

作者: 无心伤害   发布时间: 2005-09-08

唉,红旗对此能说什么呢?我想他们只能悲叹他们的努力得不到国人的理解!红旗的LINUX操作系统、还有RED OFFICE,都尽力的去满足国人早已习惯使用“WINDOWS”的习惯,尽力的在让系统更易于使用!这有什么错?
微软难道不是靠着模仿才能做好自己的东西的么?我们难道不是靠着临摹才学会写字的么?
至于说红旗没有开源,那就更是荒谬了,红旗LINUX4.1的第四张碟就是源码盘。
没有调查就没有发言权,这位仁兄不管你是谁,别再伤红旗的心,别再伤中国人心了,不要再在中国人早已四分五裂的民族感情上撒盐巴了,好吗?
如果我遇见这种不负责任的人,我只会说两个字:“闭嘴”!如果是个老外,那当然就是:“SHUT UP!”

作者: 冰原子   发布时间: 2005-09-10

红旗有没有开源,开了多少源,是不是绝对遵守相关开源软件版权协议,你调查过么?4.1第四张源代码光盘不能说明任何问题。

我还是建议你先去研究一下流行的OSI开源软件协议,例如 GPL,LGPL 等等。然后再看看红旗在开源方面做的到底怎么样。

别人这样骂,肯定是有原因的,不会是无中生有。

引用:
作者: 冰原子
唉,红旗对此能说什么呢?我想他们只能悲叹他们的努力得不到国人的理解!红旗的LINUX操作系统、还有RED OFFICE,都尽力的去满足国人早已习惯使用“WINDOWS”的习惯,尽力的在让系统更易于使用!这有什么错?
微软难道不是靠着模仿才能做好自己的东西的么?我们难道不是靠着临摹才学会写字的么?
至于说红旗没有开源,那就更是荒谬了,红旗LINUX4.1的第四张碟就是源码盘。
没有调查就没有发言权,这位仁兄不管你是谁,别再伤红旗的心,别再伤中国人心了,不要再在中国人早已四分五裂的民族感情上撒盐巴了,好吗?
如果我遇见这种不负责任的人,我只会说两个字:“闭嘴”!如果是个老外,那当然就是:“SHUT UP!”

作者: james_su   发布时间: 2005-09-10

Cjacker 大侠去了 红旗

红旗应该要改一些了吧




可是也确实很难想出 红旗在桌面软件上有哪些贡献 ,除了修改默认界面

所知道红旗做了的东西的就这么几个
1.修改过的 Qt , 让程序可以很变态地显示中文 ( 没有开源, 不过现在国际化的 Linux 也不需要这个变态解决)

2. yh 点阵字体 ( 捐献出来了 , wqy 里也可以找到 )

3. 模仿 Win98 的回收站 ( 不如 新 Gnome 或 MAC OS X的回收站 )

4. 模仿 Win98 的控制面板 ( 远不如 SUSE 等的 YAST2 等, 标准的 KDE/Gnome 里也有更好用的控制面板 )

5. 几个图形系统设置工具 ( 远不如 SUSE 等的 YAST2 等,其它发行版也有,标准的 KDE/Gnome 里也有更好的 )

6. WEB 界面的系统设置工具 ( 其它发行版用 webmin 等)

7. 提高 IE 兼容性的 konqueror 和 mozilla firefox ( cjacker 等几位弄的 )





红旗打包的有些东西有些奇怪
evolution 是个全能的个人信息助理,但是老 RedFlag 里的 evolution 硬是被弄成只能收收邮件

Konsole 是 KDE 的标准终端, 但是有很长一段时间里 konsole 在 红旗的 KDE 里无端蒸发 , 只弄个丑陋的 crxvt 充数 , 难怪 红旗用户说 Linux 的命令行不好

标准的 KDE 有方便的虚拟桌面 , 新的 Windows 也有了虚拟桌面 , 红旗却似乎要刻意隐藏这个好用的特性

标准的 KDE 菜单里各个程序都按功能清晰的分类,调用软件很方便 , 红旗却一股脑塞进个“程序”项

freedesktop.org 为自由桌面易用性作出了很多工作 , 似乎 红旗都不怎么接受





新的 Windows 光界面都跟 WinXP 大不一样
不知道 红旗是要继续 XP 下去,还是再推倒重新跟进






有 cjacker 在 , 红旗还有机会吧


红旗的几个项目经理感觉为人不错 , cjacker 更是受人尊敬的骇客

作者: jhuangjiahua   发布时间: 2005-09-10

我觉得很奇怪,他为什么默认用root 用户?

作者: liuhj02   发布时间: 2005-09-14

一直不敢用红旗,总认为它不伦不类

作者: lzhdm   发布时间: 2005-09-15

引用:
作者: wzs
不说界面怎么样。红旗的中文真的没的说,浏览器也有自己的东西!
你试试163邮箱,用其提供的信纸写封邮件。其他linux发行版连字都打不上!!
再看看动感邮件,其他linux发行版连字都看不到!!
可能吗
我还特意去试了一下
没有问题

作者: ltkun   发布时间: 2005-09-15