想问问大家gentoo和slackware的区别

我一直是使用slackware的。平时比较忙，很想试试gentoo，因为对其freebsd－like的portage方式有些感兴趣。
但是一直没有腾出时间来。
大家普遍觉得gentoo比较费时，真是这样吗？从stage3安装预编译的包难道也需要很多的时间？我不是性能追求者。我希望一个系统能尽可能给用户方便，只是在必要的时候才动手编译自己需要的东西。从这一点上，我不知道gentoo能不能满足我的要求呢？

slackware很好。但是有时候用久了，加之使用过程疏于打整，安装的东西一多，难免就有些乱了，虽然可以使用一些三方工具建包，例如checkinstall，slacktrack的。但不知道怎么搞的，就是觉得还是容易将系统搞乱～

如果预编译的包的数量很多（gentoo）相对就能减少这种困惑，不是吗？几个命令就搞定，不要再下载什么中文包，或者配置字体，每次都要重新来一遍。呵呵，顺便说一句，我的系统还是slackware9，当初对系统的一些改动虽然也做了log，时间一远，还是忘记了不少东西。

主要是没有时间。想问问熟悉两个系统的使用者，尤其是熟悉两个系统的包管理的使用者。建一个gentoo的包（或者redhat等）的包与建slack的包有什么不同，我想这是keypoint。依赖性不是关键，主要是怎么能干净的安装一个东西，然后干净的删除一个东西。毕竟在两个系统下都会有自己编译软件包的可能。

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-14

gentoo的安装确实挺费时间，但是安装完使用时很方便。需要什么就emerge，更新也勤快。现在的稳定版是kernel-2.6.9,xorg6.8.1,gnome-2.8,kde-3.3.1。当然编译这些可能要花掉你几天时间。
我一直都是先划分一个分区安装slackware，10分钟就安装好了，加点中文字体改改local.conf就能用了。然后在后台解压gentoo的stage和portage到别的分区chroot进去装。在slackware里想干嘛就干嘛，只是对gentoo的编译速度有一点点影响而已。
装完gentoo就能把slackware的分区删掉挂载为/usr/local或是别的目录，不过我一直留着，因为slackware也很棒。

作者: cocojumbal 发布时间: 2004-11-14

楼上的办法不错，回头我也想试试！

作者: babo 发布时间: 2004-11-14

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最初由 cocojumbal 发表
gentoo的安装确实挺费时间，但是安装完使用时很方便。需要什么就emerge，更新也勤快。现在的稳定版是kernel-2.6.9,xorg6.8.1,gnome-2.8,kde-3.3.1。当然编译这些可能要花掉你几天时间。
我一直都是先划分一个分区安装slackware，10分钟就安装好了，加点中文字体改改local.conf就能用了。然后在后台解压gentoo的stage和portage到别的分区chroot进去装。在slackware里想干嘛就干嘛，只是对gentoo的编译速度有一点点影响而已。
装完gentoo就能把slackware的分区删掉挂载为/usr/local或是别的目录，不过我一直留着，因为slackware也很棒。

呵呵，我想问，从stage3安装也费时吗？假设我有universal disk（livecd）

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-14

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最初由 gnwd 发表
呵呵，我想问，从stage3安装也费时吗？假设我有universal disk（livecd）

那得看你想装多少才叫“安装完”，如果第一次边看handbook边摸索着装，到编译完内核装上grub(lilo)，大概30min-1h吧。
但是gentoo的安装很自由，中途想退出了，直接^c退出，下次接着来。
具体的就去看livecd里的handbook吧。

作者: cocojumbal 发布时间: 2004-11-14

看看这个吧：
Gentoo2004.2半自动安装
如果你象cocojumbal那样从一个已有的linux里chroot进行安装应该是很方便的，盘都不用刻了，挂上iso就行了。将那几个script按自己的情况稍加修改，就可以很方便的安装了。请注意，step1里应该先mount /mnt/gentoo，再mount /mnt/gentoo/boot；作者发现的时候已经太晚，改不了了。

作者: kohno 发布时间: 2004-11-14

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主要是怎么能干净的安装一个东西，然后干净的删除一个东西

Arch Linux meets your desire

作者: Dasn 发布时间: 2004-11-14

Yes, Arch Linux should be your choice.

作者: kite 发布时间: 2004-11-14

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最初由 Dasn 发表
Arch Linux meets your desire

哦，valuable information, may I will try it later, thank you and "kite". But now I do want to know more about it. especially personal option.

about how to make a package, i think, most of softwares can easily use: ./configure;make; make install. certainly, there are still some annoying software which can not be packaged easily, no matter what distribution(pkg system) you are using.

some tools have made package-making comfortable on slackware. linuxpackages.net also meet our need at a certain extent.

so what sets arch linux apart from other linux(including slackware) in the manner of managing own packages( and create own packages).

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-15

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最初由 cocojumbal 发表
那得看你想装多少才叫“安装完”，如果第一次边看handbook边摸索着装，到编译完内核装上grub(lilo)，大概30min-1h吧。
但是gentoo的安装很自由，中途想退出了，直接^c退出，下次接着来。
具体的就去看livecd里的handbook吧。

handbook已经看过了。只是没有实际操作，我的硬盘以及时间都比较欠缺一些（^_^）

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-15

> 我的硬盘以及时间都比较欠缺一些

Then stick with Slackware. Once a system is ready for working, keep it running as long as it can. Do NOT waste your time on switching/reinstalling systems. Do NOT even think about it - trust me, it's just wasting time. For me, no other distros have ever had any attraction to me after I setup my very first Slackware for work.

作者: terminator 发布时间: 2004-11-15

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最初由 terminator 发表

For me, no other distros have ever had any attraction to me after I setup my very first Slackware for work.

A diehard slacker :2cool

作者: windrose 发布时间: 2004-11-15

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最初由 gnwd 发表
哦，valuable information, may I will try it later, thank you and "kite". But now I do want to know more about it. especially personal option.

about how to make a package, i think, most of softwares can easily use: ./configure;make; make install. certainly, there are still some annoying software which can not be packaged easily, no matter what distribution(pkg system) you are using.

some tools have made package-making comfortable on slackware. linuxpackages.net also meet our need at a certain extent.

so what sets arch linux apart from other linux(including slackware) in the manner of managing own packages( and create own packages).

* Arch has *official* apt-get-like package system (simpler than apt-get but easier to handle for me)
* Arch has *official* portage-like package build system

So package-building and package maintenance is neat and simple.

You may better check out http://www.archlinux.org

作者: kite 发布时间: 2004-11-15

Good！

作者: allen1970 发布时间: 2004-11-15

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最初由 terminator 发表
> 我的硬盘以及时间都比较欠缺一些

Then stick with Slackware. Once a system is ready for working, keep it running as long as it can. Do NOT waste your time on switching/reinstalling systems. Do NOT even think about it - trust me, it's just wasting time. For me, no other distros have ever had any attraction to me after I setup my very first Slackware for work.

I just a little disapprove of what you said, that is," D not even think about it".

Think is always important and It may not always be a waste of time, otherwise, various distributions would not delivered to the world. We should concentrate our attentions to What will I do and What am I doing.

for me, I just want a nice distribution to house me. Slackware is a good house, but it have some disadvantages(perhaps) mentioned above.But I can not clarify what features I need. so, in my leisure hours, I will consider the question and ask for others opnions as reference.
All are interest-driven.

thanks for your advice

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-15

http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthre...hreadid=116845

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-15

to gnwd

Seriously, I have to confirm that 'terminator' is right.

My experience about Arch:
Arch is a wonderful and cool Linux distro for modern people who want to keep
their systems clean and up-to-date. I thought she's just for your desire. To
tell the truth, I was really impressed by the boot process and fantastic speed
of Arch. But she's not so perfect as the Devland proudly described.
Occasionally, I suffered 'Kernel panic' and 'Segmentation fault' during the
last 6 months, and the most serious problem I recently got was some buggy
programs like fdisk, cannot work properly in some high optimized boxes, like
Arch. This is the reason that I came back to Slackware.

Arch is just like a young girl, isn't she?

My experience about Slackware:
I had tried about ten different Linux distros, such as Redhat, Debian,
Slackware, Arch, LFS, Crux, Sorcerer, Lunar, etc. Yes, each of them has his
own pitfalls and also solutions to these pitfalls. But the question left to be
settled now is "which to choose?". I hardly believe any of us will spend their
full lives on trying hundreds of different Linux distros one by one. (However,
if we had enough time, we could build our own Linux distro). So we definitely
need to make a choice. 'Which to choose' depends on our TARGETs and TASTEs
really.

I did at last make choice of Slackware after a long time shuffling among these
damn Linux distros, and don't wanna change anymore. The shuffling is really
boring, time wasting and made me tired. I should have read APUE and the source
code of a project, which is the right way to learn UNIX. That is why I thought
'terminator' was wiser than me.

Why did I make choice of Slackware? For me, there are two serious reasons:
1.

引用:

Patrick has ten years experience on the development of Linux distro, so we trust him.

2. Personally, for my own comparison, Slackware provides us with the most
effective way to build a full functional software platform.

I hope my experience can help

Best Regards

作者: Dasn 发布时间: 2004-11-16

引用:

最初由 gnwd 发表
我一直是使用slackware的。平时比较忙，很想试试gentoo，因为对其freebsd－like的portage方式有些感兴趣。
但是一直没有腾出时间来。
大家普遍觉得gentoo比较费时，真是这样吗？从stage3安装预编译的包难道也需要很多的时间？我不是性能追求者。我希望一个系统能尽可能给用户方便，只是在必要的时候才动手编译自己需要的东西。从这一点上，我不知道gentoo能不能满足我的要求呢？

slackware很好。但是有时候用久了，加之使用过程疏于打整，安装的东西一多，难免就有些乱了，虽然可以使用一些三方工具建包，例如checkinstall，slacktrack的。但不知道怎么搞的，就是觉得还是容易将系统搞乱～

如果预编译的包的数量很多（gentoo）相对就能减少这种困惑，不是吗？几个命令就搞定，不要再下载什么中文包，或者配置字体，每次都要重新来一遍。呵呵，顺便说一句，我的系统还是slackware9，当初对系统的一些改动虽然也做了log，时间一远，还是忘记了不少东西。

主要是没有时间。想问问熟悉两个系统的使用者，尤其是熟悉两个系统的包管理的使用者。建一个gentoo的包（或者redhat等）的包与建slack的包有什么不同，我想这是keypoint。依赖性不是关键，主要是怎么能干净的安装一个东西，然后干净的删除一个东西。毕竟在两个系统下都会有自己编译软件包的可能。

當我在選擇一個distro用以代替家裏的破WINDOWS的時候（沒辦法，太爛了），我對幾個主流的發行版都研究很久，最終選擇了Gentoo，因爲它的portage和神奇的emerge，最終證明我的決定是英明D

剛開始的時候不熟悉，重裝過好幾次，真是挺折騰人的，那時就在想，到底是我用它還是它用我啊，於是就試過幾個別的版本，很容易裝上的那種，使用也很方便，但速度、包的管理、系統的維護等方面都覺得怎麽用怎麽不順，反正是越用就越覺得原?鞧entoo的好，於是經過幾回的叛變後，決定以後再也不換了，就它了:o
看看我簽名的，在那個硬件基礎上搭建這個花了一天的時間。不過如果要搭好一個日常使用的平台及應用，我想兩天是比較合理的

作者: Jwing 发布时间: 2004-11-16

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最初由 Dasn 发表

Yes, you're right. In fact, I am also tired of this procedure. So until now, I just stay on words but not actually do it.

I went to archlinux and gentoo websites, but I found if I changes to those platform, there are some knowledges I have to learn. I have be familiar to slackware, so it may be a waste of time to make a move.

Thanks for your experience after enduring various impact during installing various distros.

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-16

引用:

最初由 Jwing 发表
當我在選擇一個distro用以代替家裏的破WINDOWS的時候（沒辦法，太爛了），我對幾個主流的發行版都研究很久，最終選擇了Gentoo，因爲它的portage和神奇的emerge，最終證明我的決定是英明D

剛開始的時候不熟悉，重裝過好幾次，真是挺折騰人的，那時就在想，到底是我用它還是它用我啊，於是就試過幾個別的版本，很容易裝上的那種，使用也很方便，但速度、包的管理、系統的維護等方面都覺得怎麽用怎麽不順，反正是越用就越覺得原?鞧entoo的好，於是經過幾回的叛變後，決定以後再也不換了，就它了:o
看看我簽名的，在那個硬件基礎上搭建這個花了一天的時間。不過如果要搭好一個日常使用的平台及應用，我想兩天是比較合理的

gentoo的文档倒是在官方网站上组织得不错，从这一点上就可以感觉到开发者们的积极态度，it must be a well-organized distribution.

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-16

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最初由 gnwd 发表
I went to archlinux and gentoo websites, but I found if I changes to those platform, there are some knowledges I have to learn.

Those knowledge are linux knowledge that applies to all distros, if you haven't tried these source-based distro before, you'll be learning a lot by installing Gentoo once. Just like slackware, the way of configuring your system in Gentoo is to edit config files, a simple, clear and direct way if you have reasonable knowledge of linux; with the excellent documentation, you'll find Gentoo actually is easier to configure than many other fancy distros.

No doubt Slackware is a very nice distro, but I think it depends too much on a single personage. The recent news about Pat's health is really worrying, don't you think?

作者: Fleta 发布时间: 2004-11-17

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最初由 Fleta 发表

No doubt Slackware is a very nice distro, but I think it depends too much on a single personage. The recent news about Pat's health is really worrying, don't you think?

不许往我们的伤口上撒盐 :(

作者: windrose 发布时间: 2004-11-17

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最初由 windrose 发表
不许往我们的伤口上撒盐 :(

嘿嘿。。。怕什么，Gentoo有着最大的，也是其它发行版没有的伤口。。。也经常见到有人撒盐，人家也还是活到现在啊。。。

作者: 狱卒发布时间: 2004-11-17

引用:

最初由 Fleta 发表
Those knowledge are linux knowledge that applies to all distros, if you haven't tried these source-based distro before, you'll be learning a lot by installing Gentoo once. Just like slackware, the way of configuring your system in Gentoo is to edit config files, a simple, clear and direct way if you have reasonable knowledge of linux; with the excellent documentation, you'll find Gentoo actually is easier to configure than many other fancy distros.

No doubt Slackware is a very nice distro, but I think it depends too much on a single personage. The recent news about Pat's health is really worrying, don't you think?

To my experience, trying the distros most people use should save you many trouble othewise won't met in mainstream distros.

作者: dyte100 发布时间: 2004-11-17

若若的问一句，gentoo的伤口是指？？？

thanks

作者: ReiserFS 发布时间: 2004-11-17

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最初由 ReiserFS 发表
若若的问一句，gentoo的伤口是指？？？

thanks

应该是指第一次安装会花去很长时间编译，尤其是你的机器里没有其它的linux

作者: cocojumbal 发布时间: 2004-11-18

引用:

最初由 Fleta 发表
Those knowledge are linux knowledge that applies to all distros, if you haven't tried these source-based distro before, you'll be learning a lot by installing Gentoo once. Just like slackware, the way of configuring your system in Gentoo is to edit config files, a simple, clear and direct way if you have reasonable knowledge of linux; with the excellent documentation, you'll find Gentoo actually is easier to configure than many other fancy distros.

No doubt Slackware is a very nice distro, but I think it depends too much on a single personage. The recent news about Pat's health is really worrying, don't you think?

How to configure, it would not be a problem for me. As I said before, almost many distributions have many similarites, and many softwares' configuration are distirbution independent, in my experience, there are still lots of things to do.

I feel very sorry when I heard the Pat's health condition and cannot say more words. Only bless can help(I wish).

作者: gnwd 发布时间: 2004-11-18

gentoo和slk可以互补
我一般是gentoo下面编译不过去的东西就到slk下面编译然后打成tgz包到gentoo下面安装
gentoo的portage实在是太方便了，不过在slk下面自己编译东西通常最舒服
在slk下面编译不过去的东西，一般在其它distro上面就很难了（为某发行版特别
设计的除外）

作者: Greyhound 发布时间: 2004-11-18

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最初由 Greyhound 发表
我一般是gentoo下面编译不过去的东西就到slk下面编译然后打成tgz包到gentoo下面安装

从未这样做过，也没这需要，编译出点小问题，到官方论坛搜索一下通常很快就能解决。

btw 象你这样手动安装，portage里没有记录，将来系统升级很容易出问题的。

作者: Fleta 发布时间: 2004-11-19

要改的东西我当然心理有数..在肯定不会影响其它软件的情况下才进行
官方论坛并不是什么东西都有解决方法
比如ccinput在gentoo下面编译不过去，我去官方论坛？外国人有人知道这东西么？

作者: Greyhound 发布时间: 2004-11-19